reform, deficit reduction. these across-the-board cuts is not going to get us there because it's going to strangle our economy, slow growth which will increase the deficit and -- the choices that people are making here are across-the-board cuts, which could be 10,000 teachers or asking oil companies to pay their fair share. that's what -- >> the victims of the sequester, it's so funny to hear democrats cry about the sequester. democrats control the executive branch, they control the senate and they're in a position to negotiate with republicans who have put out two packages of alternative cuts so -- >> take those -- >> well -- >> -- in the senate in response. that's not take it or leave it. that's like the process. they haven't been able to pass anything, the president hasn't proposed anything with three weeks away. we acted in may of last year. we acted again in december. >> senator reid is not saying he will pass a budget out of the senate this year. but i want to bring this back to jon karl because when you